Let's clear the air (split from the suggestion thread again)

[ghosstt]

These two topics are going to go down in BHforums history.

Can someone make a tldr; version of this crap from Palmer's super long one to now?

[Triton]

Did I say you were evil bastards? Did I say you guys all suck? Did I say that you are only here to " abuse their power, crush peoples wills, and make bacteria, palmer and everybody elses life miserable", or even imply that any of you are always "out to get me"? Or did you just pull that idea out of your ass and form an opinion with it? Sorry for being rude, but the way you represent this is not only slanted, it is a point blank lie, and an obvious one at that. Guess what, Triton? I NEVER posted here about modretro till Bic called me out on it. Not once. Nor did I EVER post "hai guys this forum suckz". And again, I did NOT make any sort of big public todo about any issues I had with the mods here! Furthermore, I continued to post here on a regular basis weeks after modretro went up, all the way until the point when I had some IRL issues. And not just "oh hai I posted" posts, I actually posted some helpful stuff! In addition, I responded to 3 PMs in the last week I have received here concerning questions they had about some of my mods, and I gladly answered them, linked them to relevant topics, and did NOT MENTION MODRETRO ONE SINGLE TIME! In fact, I have done NO recruiting work of ANY kind whatsoever on the benheck forums for the modretro forums! Heck, even within the very boundaries of this forum's rules, I am allowed to post advertisements in my sig, but have I? Take a look underneath this post, and see for yourself.

none of what i said that you refer to was directed at you in specific, but to various other associated individuals, both on benheck and the other forum.

As Bic quoted (a bit of a misquote, but hey) from my PM's to him - didn't think we quoted each other's PM's, but as he did me, here's some from my correspondance with Black Six which you will find revealing:

Triton did not (as far as I know) make any of the other mods aware of what you told him, which is a shame because perhaps all of this could have been avoided. I think I'll have to push harder for some changes concerning respecting others on this forum.

the entirety of the PMs that went between us were given to all the other mods to see. i was quite open about the whole situation as it transpired.

I wasn't going to take him up on this, however, as Triton put it - I quote:

How is this for democratic. If you REALLY have a problem with the way I moderate and conduct myself on this forum, if You want me to i will start a topic in forum 42 with a week long poll asking "Should Triton be a moderator, or should he be fired/resign?" Neither myself or any of the moderators will vote and we will leave it entirely up to the forum as a whole. If the vote is for me resigning I will do so Immediately and have one of the admins revoke my mod privileges.

...Ok, put it into effect - let's have a vote...

BTW - at ModRetro will will not tolerate any hate campaigns or harassment against any members. The fact Triton even had the banner in his sig was a personal endorcement of it which makes him guilty and unfit as a mod - any inappropriate banners like that on ModRetro and the poster will be warned once, IP banned if not pulled into check.

It is not surprising that I have lost faith in the mods/admin on BenHeck. They speak with forked tongues. Read the quotes above...

you asked me to remove the image, i did. how complicated is that? why do you insist on holding a grudge about a stupid, insignificant jpeg in my sig that was REMOVED months ago? Beyond that jpeg have i EVER done anything to you other than disagree with you? when i first put it in my sig the situation was different, as was the meaning and intent of the image, i didnt pat it any mind, it was integrated with the rest of my sig image, the fact that it is now associated with a campaign against you is much the same as how the swasika implies Nazism before the original meanings.

So, as you see, lies have been spoken. Fine, so what if I annoy the mods here? So what if they don't like me - no reason to act as they do. Truth always comes out in the end. compare these extracts from Black Six against what the mods here are trying to tell you is the truth...

there are sides to every story, i am not a liar, and presenting your side of it as absolute truth is a farce.

...Ok, put it into effect - let's have a vote...

BTW - at ModRetro will will not tolerate any hate campaigns or harassment against any members. The fact Triton even had the banner in his sig was a personal endorcement of it which makes him guilty and unfit as a mod - any inappropriate banners like that on ModRetro and the poster will be warned once, IP banned if not pulled into check.

It is not surprising that I have lost faith in the mods/admin on BenHeck. They speak with forked tongues. Read the quotes above...

will open that topic tomorrow, have an injured finger so typing much is difficult and slow.

now that i see this topic, and the OTHER, i can concluded this: triton is acting very childish. What he is dog is the equivalent of posting posters that say "Bactira once was rude, do you really want HIM to be your president?" all over an elementary school. In my opinion, someone who starts such a club is not fit to be moderator, not trying to be mean or offensive, but it is kinda like being a nazi, spreading the hate. I am just voicing my opinion on how Triton isnt fit to be a mod, so please dont start flaming me or anything, just my opinion.

A number of things. A) i didnt start LOTWRDB sig images thing B)i dont have the image in my sig anymore C) i NEVER endorsed any kind of action or anything for that natter aginst bacteria, i simply had it in my sig to signify my dislike of him, and removed it when he asked me to, nor did i associate with any of the other individuals who had the image in their sig, and frankly i find the fact that this is an issue at all anymore to be incredibly stupid, i removed it and havent let it trouble me since, apparently bacteria feels otherwise

[bacteria]

You claim that your version of "truth" is "truth" because you say so; yet I have proven from extracts from PM's I have received that the mods knew and "other staff members have been slow to respond or support that action be taken" - that proves the real situation (other "discrepancies" are present between mods/admin statements too BTW), BTW - things only got addressed because the issue became public and Black Six got involved - I think he PMed me initially to decide if he wanted to issue me a warning, but after learning what had been going on, he didn't and instead took my side and resolved the issues - praise and respect to him: a quality moderator on a forum.

All the stragglers who did not previously remove it on their own accord then removed them. (Except for one, who hasn't logged in since then; We removed it through the admin panel.)

No you haven't, search for "Tibia" and her sig - she still has it.

I wrote more here, but deleted as I don't want a flame war. I am after justice after all, and a full apology, then we can end this.

Perhaps after Triton's vote as suitability to be a quality moderator, quality of posts and respect to others, tolerance of others, etc; and we then have embraced him in the general member ranks, we can vote on other staff here too?

[bicostp]

No you haven't, search for "Tibia" and her sig - she still has it.

Ah, I thought she took care of it. (Someone else who's relatively inactive had it as well.) Removing it now.

EDIT: Removed. As far as I can tell that's all of them. Now could we please stop dwelling on this? It was a minor problem that was dealt with in a very childish manner and was blown completely out of proportion. Not everybody is going to like you; that's a fact of life you and everyone else in the world has to deal with.

NOTE: Not defending anyone here.

Perhaps after Triton's vote as suitability to be a quality moderator, quality of posts and respect to others, tolerance of others, etc; and we then have embraced him in the general member ranks, we can vote on other staff here too?

Why? We haven't done anything to you. We did not support the hate group. We were not made aware of its meaning until your thread hijack post*. We are not out to get you. We are not banning people out of spite because we don't like them. We are not setting people up. We are not conspiring against anyone. If you think we are then that just says something about you. The world is not out to get you. The moderation staff in general owes you nothing and has nothing to apologize to you for.

*Really there was no reason to hijack a thread either.

Besides, you're definitely not helping your argument that attempting to move everyone to ModRetro isn't merely a coup against the current staff.

[palmertech]

none of what i said that you refer to was directed at you in specific, but to various other associated individuals, both on benheck and the other forum.

You specifically named me and one other person, Bacteria. When you specifically use my name, expect me to assume you were talking about me. And even if it was a general response, it was still a lie;

They are only coming back here to brag about how awesome they think their forum is, how much ours sucks, and tell us all how horrible of a job we are doing

That is what you said. If you claim the only reason any of are coming back is to rain on your parade, then that claim is patently false. And if you presume to throw us all in the same boat, as you now seem to hold your defense on, do not throw a sissy fit when you think I did the same with you mods. If you have a problem, be specific, or do not name any names at all.

I look forward to a proper reply to my post, as opposed to a short line relevant to one small part of it, in self defense.

[Triton]

You claim that your version of "truth" is "truth" because you say so; yet I have proven from extracts from PM's I have received that the mods knew and "other staff members have been slow to respond or support that action be taken" - that proves the real situation (other "discrepancies" are present between mods/admin statements too BTW), BTW - things only got addressed because the issue became public and Black Six got involved - I think he PMed me initially to decide if he wanted to issue me a warning, but after learning what had been going on, he didn't and instead took my side and resolved the issues - praise and respect to him: a quality moderator on a forum.

i scarcely consider a time period of a week to be overly slow to respond to the situation, i suppose our opinions differ on that. The way the situation SHOULD have gone was thus

- You asks those individuals to remove the logos
- Some or all of those people remove the logo
- You inform us of the people who respond with hostility or refuse
- We deal with those individuals

what happened (according to what i gather from what black six told us) was you informed him that they ignored your PMs AFTER you already caused a ruckus on the forums. Why didnt you come to us instead?

Perhaps after Triton's vote as suitability to be a quality moderator, quality of posts and respect to others, tolerance of others, etc; and we then have embraced him in the general member ranks, we can vote on other staff here too?

so you are already assuming that the vote will go your way? dont count your chickens before they hatch. and the vote is ONLY about weather or not i am suitable to be a mod, i will not have you call my personal integrity and quality of posting into question.

I am after justice after all, and a full apology

I removed the image from my sig, as far as I am concerned I have nothing to apologize for.

[Life of Brian]

The mod team had NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT, in fact bacteria came to us, me specifically about the issue. we did our best to address his concerns but he got impatient and childish and pitched a fit about it in public when it easily could have been handled with discretion in a mature manner. Im not going to get into this topic on the forum.

I know I am only getting one side of the story, which never lends to the spread of concrete truth... But while I seem to be mistaken in my belief that there was more than one moderator involved, but I was under the impression that after a few PMs, he was ignored. When I have issues, I do not make threads about them very often for the very reasons you say; Looking childish, impatient, etc. But when you PM mods/admins and they read and ignore your PMs, it can make a guy testy. I will rant on this more further down in this post. Also, I thought that the situation only got resolved because the public thread brought it to the attention of BlackSix, who cracked down on the offenders? Let me know, I would far rather hear from the horses mouth what went down instead of having to rely on one side of the story, and getting the story wrong. Unless you "get into the topic", I can have no real idea of what went on.

I double-checked some dates, and I would like to clarify that we moderators first started discussing the anti-bacterial sigs on May 9 and bacteria began his forum-blast on May 17. We were given eight days. So, the lesson here is if things aren't resolved within a week (even though we were still debating the best course of action) then the gloves are off.

It is not surprising that I have lost faith in the mods/admin on BenHeck. They speak with forked tongues.

I thought we were on good terms. I am sorry for the way things have gone, bacteria.

[bicostp]

I double-checked some dates, and I would like to clarify that we moderators first started discussing the anti-bacterial sigs on May 9 and bacteria began his forum-blast on May 17. We were given eight days. So, the lesson here is if things aren't resolved within a week (even though we were still debating the best course of action) then the gloves are off.

Remember, it was recommended that he PM the people with the images in their sigs, requesting its removal. This suggestion was rejected with hostility, dismissing it as "a sign of weakness" and "crying to the mods". I think we might as well just post the entire exchange for the world to see. In quote boxes. In the order they were sent. It's a wall of text but you'll know what was actually said. These are verbatim quotes from both parties and have not been edited in any way.

Tut, tut. Just noticed you have that childish "don't like bacteria" logo in your sig (might have been there a while, not sure, i'm not that observant). Big whoop. I don't care if you like me or not, it will rebound anyway. I had had respect for you before though, which is the pity, and the reason for this PM - i'm not bothered to acknowledge anyone else, just you, because I had held you in esteem at one time, previously. You and I have not had harsh words in the past, so I assume you are just getting on the bandwagon as there is no other logical reason; anyway, that's fine, i'm genuinely not bothered. It's a compliment really if you think about it, all be it trivial - members who are not seen as having strong "presence" are just ignored or put down - who else has ever had an anti-fan club here? - think about it - infamous is famous, and a sign of strength. I have heard from various people over the last months that you mods see me as a threat (whether real or not, perhaps its because I speak the truth and use reasoned debate); ok, doesn't mean it is right, but I can see why - so, on that logic, it is surely more sensible to keep me on side?? There are precious few members here anyway with any substance left; this site is dying anyway; so how about being a big man and removing that silly logo in your sig?

To ease your mind a bit, no I do not have any personal grudge or vendetta against you, the reason that childish logo is in my signature and has been for quite some time, Is primarily your attitude and behavior on the forum. I respect your abilities as a modder and portable builder and Its impressive to see how your cases and techniques have improved since you have been active on these forums! But the way you post and how you sound in said posts tends to rub some of the people on the forums (myself sometimes included) the wrong way. A lot of your posts come off as having an air of superiority to the people you are responding to. Or as being self aggrandizing, self promotional, and self important. You are a smart talented individual among a fair amount of similarly intelligent, talented people. It comes as no surprise that people such as ourselves don't like to be talked down to, I'm sure you don't mean to sound that way but that's how some of your posts come off. In addition, your fairly shameless promotion of your intoplay cases is skirting on blatant advertisement, people have been banned in the past for advertising things like websites, forums, and services on the forum before. there is a difference between replying to a post in which somebody is asking for possible cases to use and posting in a thread for case ideas, case designs or anything case related when you are trying to sell a product. The former, being a direct request for a product, would be warranted. the latter is simply you trying to hock your wares when an opportunity presents itself.

In response to your claims that the moderators see you as a threat, or that you are in someway famous or infamous. Delusions of grandeur. You may speak your own brand of truth but the mods, myself included, are not threatened, nor do we have any reason to feel threatened by you. Disregarding your well worded, properly typed posting habits (and propensity for verbosity) you are at roughly the same level as shockslayer and other members of the forum who have built several portables. you get a custom title and a sense of pride, accomplishment and no small modicum of respect but that doesnt put you at the same level clout wise as any of the moderators. we do not abuse our power, we act with common sense, we are all mature, reasonable adults whos only goal is keeping this forum civil, active and stable. If anything your continuing requests for a new forum section and your comments about the reference section are more of a thorn in our side than any spammers, flamers, and idiots could ever be. because you dont disrupt the forum, you just insinuate that the moderating team is somehow incapable of doing our job proplerly, or are in some way abusing our power, not listining to what the forum at large wants, or are somehow taking advantage of the people on the forum for our own personal gain. that is not exactly a good way to win people over, intentional or not. and as you can see in that thread, the majority of the posters did not agree with you, so we must be doing SOMETHING right.

our little badges are just a quiet and pseudo polite (read: not blunt and outright) way of saying that your atitude, and by extension your behavior (again, intentional or not) has not made those of us who have the logo very big fans of yours. I personally have nothing against you as an individual. In real life im sure your a wonderful guy but i dont know that person, i just know the bacteria of gp32x and benheck forums. Feel free to respond to this PM if you have any questions or comments as to what i have typed here and I will be happy to elaborate further! Have a nice weekend.

~Triton

Triton,

Thanks for the reply and for elaboration. Been on my mind since I sent you the PM, I felt I had to send it but didn't take any pleasure in doing so. I felt the place to communicate was via PM, I am sure you agree.

I'm not saying this tit for tat, but I can't think of many people who get misinterpreted in their posts - look at a lot of skyone's posts for goodness sake - sometimes he makes an attack then immediately shuts the thread! I had some very scathing attacks out of the blue a while back from loveablechevy and tibia in posts (accusing me of whatnot), so I stamped on them firmly in defence - that is why they post "the logo"; eurrdue is a hypocryte because he has sent me some "love your work" friendly type PM's in recent weeks yet posts "the logo" - think he has it as he knows no better (he's only 14 after all); dragon(whatever his name is), no idea his beef. I think that is the full list - not many, frankly - I am sure everyone, including you, don't get on with a similar number of people here.

Whilst I take on board some of your comments, including not asking for new forum requests etc (I saw a reasonable opportunity to ask at the time, no more, no point); you have to agree that by showing "the logo" you are endorsing it and with the respect you have on the forum are therefore promoting it. That is what I referred to about moderator behaviour unbecoming. I could take it as victimisation and harassment quite easily and be justifed in doing so and reacting if I see fit quite legitimately - after all, who else is being victimised that way but me? That is why I requested you (and any other mods/admin for that matter) to remove the logo to state you are above such silly things. Let it rest on your conscience and do what you know is right. As to the others with "the logo", I will bide my time and will have my chance.

The comment about "being seen as a threat" has been made to me by about three or four members or so over the last months, as hearsay; not from me I add, I don't see myself as a threat actually to whatever, however it seemed a reasonable opportunity to raise the point in case it was valid; which you answered well. I was trying to think of a reason for you putting on "the logo" when it is in contrast to impartiality and fairness normally associated with a moderator clearly wasn't the case.

As people have posted to my posts and others for that matter, I quote: "this is the internet" - filled with people you never are going to meet or know how they tick, and only have smilies to try and convey an emotion, which often doesn't work anyway. If you knew me you personally you would feel embarrassed about how I have been treated; yet you don't know me or ever will do - I understand that. I have had to tolerate many offensive posts from others and posts designed to rub me the wrong way occasionally, sometimes I react against them strongly - why not, when seemingly unjustified provocation? I had to PM Tibia a while back and tell her to stop her attacks in threads against me or I would war on her, she backed down fortunately - but proves my point I am making. I don't like doing that, it isn't me.

You must also understand on a different, but entirely relevant note; I am not a teenager like most here, or in early twenties like most of the rest here, I am twice or three times the ages of almost everyone here. It is not easy for someone of my age (43) to communicate with teenagers - completely different generation. Consider for your moment if your Father was on the site and how he would do - then you get my drift. I am sure if he was a posted on this site you would think his well-intentioned posts to be like you think of mine. That is why many of my posts and wording get misinterpreted here unintentially - I am not pompous or whatever, although as you say, I do know how to articulate grammar, which is more than most do here. I am a very kind and thoughtful chap with good helpful intentions. Also, please understand that I am always striving to be helpful to other members; sure I might go a little too much on the "advertising" as you put it sometimes, although many post their sites or blogs or links in their sigs, but if someone wants to discuss options about what they could use in a case, it seems reasonable to suggest an option.

In regards to popularity, let me make this point - without making any new portables and just re-making old guides of mine, in 11 days I have had 832 visitors to my Wordpress site. I think that speaks for itself.

Thanks incidentally for your kind words about my abilities as a portabliser and modder, appreciated.

In regards to the Reference forum, the proof is in the pudding - if you don't get many posts from active members to go there, draw conclusions.

Like I said, I leave it to your conscience and ethics about removing the logo and to others that use it; as live teaches, everything has a consequence (not a threat, so don't take it as such). I hope the victimisation will stop though (I don't tolerate bullying) - again, no threat, so don't take it as such.

Have a good weekend,

Still friends??

John

In retrospect I would have to agree that the logo is/was a rather immature (albeit discreet) way for people to voice their dislike of you and your posting habits. In my case I dont have any real problem with you other than disliking the feeling I get from some of your posts atitude and content wise, which may or may not have been intentional, I've removed the logo from my sig mainly because something like that reflects poorly on the rest of the moderating team. The other reason is i dont want to be associated with the people who make their strong dislike for you vocal and public because A) I dont feel the same way they do about you. and B) It would be showing a considerable amount of bias in my case to have an image associated as such. I hope now that i have called attention to the few minor issues i had with your posting habits that both of us can put aside our differences and have an amicable relationship in the future.

That is what I referred to about moderator behaviour unbecoming. I could take it as victimisation and harassment quite easily and be justifed in doing so and reacting if I see fit quite legitimately - after all, who else is being victimised that way but me? That is why I requested you (and any other mods/admin for that matter) to remove the logo to state you are above such silly things. Let it rest on your conscience and do what you know is right. As to the others with "the logo", I will bide my time and will have my chance.

As far as being victimized or demonized on the forum a simple logo in a signature is a very mild way to go about it. even if it is immature and childish. As to biding your time and having your chance, the most action you could take that would be permissible on these forums is to send them a polite PM asking them to remove the logo from their sig. If they comply there are no problems. if they get hostile just forward the PM to one of the mods and we will discuss the situation accordingly

As to my fairness and impartiality as a mod in regards to the logo. it was in my sig for quite some time and frankly i didnt pay much attention to it or give it much thought. at the time only the few other people who had it knew what it meant and it was more of an in-joke than and advertizement of dislike. i will be editing and re-uploading my sig image today without the aformentioned logo because as you said. having that kind of image and what is associated with it b rings into question my impartiality as a moderator. even though i dont let my personal feelings affect my decisions as a moderator, public appearance far outweighs private action! so once again no hard feelings!

~Triton

Triton,

Thanks for the reply, appreciated. Thanks for also removing "the logo" too - pleased you saw the logic.

I only appealed to your conscience and sense of fair play because I have respect for you; not for the others we mentioned with "the logo".

Let's put this into context if we may: The people concerned decided they didn't like my manner of posting (so what), they then, without provocation, posted fierce posts in attacks on me / my posting - no PM's no provocation against them, they just "didn't like me" (so what, i'm not a kid, I don't need "facebook friends"). I then go "whoa - WTF", they don't back down, post something rotten again. I then have to shout them down. Crikey - Kurt_ a few months ago on a post called me a "pedo" because I am on this site - I am not the only adult here, Ben is 37 himself; which is why I never post my pics on the "show us yourself" or use AIM or MSN or any chatrooms, period. I do not have to sit and take abuse, so I PM them and tell them in no uncertain terms to stop it immediately; which they do with persuasion. Status quo preserved without flame wars, which is sensible.

Given the above, and the fact I don't care for those individuals, it is not reasonable to ask me to send them a kind PM and ask them if they would be so kind as to remove "the logo" - that is weakness and I have no interest in being weak - especially as I would be having then to "cry to the mods for help" - like I said, i'm not a kid, and the only difference between you and me is you are a moderator.

You, on the other hand, as impartial and a moderator, can legitimately tell them enough is enough and ask them to remove "the logo". If they then refuse, that is up to them.

Victimisation and bullying comes in many forms, including cyber bullying. You might think "the logo" is minor, I don't -it is posted all over every post they make - that is literally THOUSANDS of times on the forum. It IS bullying, and I AM being victimised as it only applies to me.

Regards to the other thing, no, I am a strategist and a good one at that. If the others with "the logo" take umbridge at something someone posts about them; I can call them a hypocryte and back it up with "the logo", etc - if they post negatively about me and have "the logo" I can attack them for blatent bully tactics and hammer them; if they try to bring others on board them they are inciting hatred....see what I mean - fully justified - I can be subtle with my posts like "you take exception to what he says about you so claim you have feelings, what about other peoples feelings, eg mine (see your sig) - hypocryte". Hey, don't want to, but why should I "speak softly" to bullies?

As I said before, noone like everyone. There are some who quite hate the moderators, some don't like you too (fact, not just saying it) - so what, that's life, get over it, etc. I have some I don't like too but don't let them know about it unless they provoke me; guess that's because i'm far older...

I am sure you see the logic of you PM'ing the offenders with a kind e-mail - not weakness from you, or "cap in hand".

No hard feelings at all, mate - you, I have respect for.

BTW - in case you have any thoughts on this, I am NOT interested in being a mod on this forum; so don't think my posts have that motive - they don't. I am, i'm me - "i'm a name, not a number" as Iron Maiden sung in the '80s.

John

At this point the general consensus between the mods was to tell bacteria to PM the people with the images and politely ask it to be removed and then turn those who don't over to us, because it was a personal issue. In fact this was suggested in one of Tritons PMs. However, this suggestion was met with hostility:

Given the above, and the fact I don't care for those individuals, it is not reasonable to ask me to send them a kind PM and ask them if they would be so kind as to remove "the logo" - that is weakness and I have no interest in being weak - especially as I would be having then to "cry to the mods for help" - like I said, i'm not a kid, and the only difference between you and me is you are a moderator.

So he wasn't going to do anything to help himself, didn't want to seem as though he was "crying to the mods" (which would be the obvious reason someone carrying the image in their sig would suddenly get a PM from a mod asking for it to be removed out of the blue), and never suggested another course of action. We never get any names.

Fast forward a week and you all know where it went from there.
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[Skyone]

Bacteria, if you're not the child you're boasting not to be, why are you acting like a persistent and stubborn boy? Your logic and misquoting puzzle and insult me. It amazes me how people can't bear to leave the past behind in order to improve. Perhaps my personal attempt at change is futile, as it is being doused by those who are bitter and have a pathetic distaste towards this site.

Regardless, I personally understand every bit of foul play being put into play right now, and that alone gives me (and hopefully the rest of the moderators) enough energy to continue improving these forums.

I am publicly requesting that anyone who feels the need to oppose or attempt to diminish this forum to silently leave before you further make a fool out of yourself.

Still, if an opposing force were to break the forums, what would they win - an internet drama battle? Hardly seems productive to me.

[themadhacker]

@bic
I just felt I needed to metion something about tibia. She has not been on benheck for quite a while now, as you have already said. She has had a lot of crap going on lately (not going to go into that) and she has probably forgotten all about the hate sig, which is why she has not taken it down. From what I have come to understand, she no longer has any hard feelings against bacteria. I just wanted to help clear that up so you do not get the wrong idea and ban tibia.


thanks.

[vskid]

Wow, that was weird.
I moved this post of mine back to the feedback thread.

[bicostp]

@bic
I just felt I needed to metion something about tibia. She has not been on benheck for quite a while now, as you have already said. She has had a lot of crap going on lately (not going to go into that) and she has probably forgotten all about the hate sig, which is why she has not taken it down. From what I have come to understand, she no longer has any hard feelings against bacteria. I just wanted to help clear that up so you do not get the wrong idea and ban tibia.

Yeah, I know she hasn't been on. (The PM I sent is still in my Outbox.) Hers was one of the ones we went in and removed through the admin panel. We haven't got any plans on banning anyone who had the image, unless they already used up their warnings. (And even then it would be a temp.)

@vskid: Sorry about that. I basically picked the post that seemed to be where the discussion veered off-course and told phpBB to split it at that point.

[themadhacker]

Thanks, I'm glad you understand.

[palmertech]

If you feel the need to split the topics, I think it would be nice to split it starting with my post made Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:07 AM in the feedback thread, as you skipped right over my perfectly friendly first reply, then Bic skewing of the facts, then another set of feedback that I put out as a result of Bic calling me out, and then an insulting post by Triton. To skip over those and make it seem like I just started off on a rant for no reason puts me in a spot that looks a lot worse, which is a completely unfair use of power, even if unintentional. Further more, you started this thread with a later reply to my post, skipping the one Triton made, and then have another underneath it. How in the world can people follow what is going on if my post is marooned in one thread, and all the replies to it in another thread? Nice and all if you want to pretend that my post was about the "LOTWRDB" issue, but I brought up a lot of other stuff, the lotwrdb was a side issue, and I have still not gotten any sort of response to my long-ass post. Are you guys discussing it, or is it going to be broken into pieces, spread across the forum, and then ignored? I want to know before I say any more.

[Basement_Modder]

Alright, this has got to stop. All of this arguing is completely tearing the forums, and I don't just mean Benheck, apart. ShockSlayer has decided to leave ModRetro because of all the purposeless flame-wars that continue to happen every day for the simple reason that people refuse to comply with change. IT IS RIDICULOUS! I am afraid to post here anymore for the fear that I will be considered one of "them." This must stop soon before it is too late. If you were to look through history, you will probably notice one thing: almost every great civilization was destroyed by one incident occurring that generally involved a rebellious group, lead by somebody in high power, being torn down by the original group because they are afraid to give change a chance. Don't let that be you! Look at yourselves right now, and tell me this: are you one-hundred percent sure that you are not saying anything that will eventually lead to your own destruction? Think about it: you may be a victim of hate over the internet, and it may upset you greatly. It is good to bring it to the attention of others, but it must stay within reason. Otherwise, you will get into an argument that is so deep and intricate that it runs on, up to a point where you have no idea where it started. It is that type of pointless thing that will personally force every bystander to choose a side, eventually leading to a civil war within our community. I do not want it to come to this, but I am afraid that it may be too late. All I can say is, be careful what you say. You may not realize the impact clicking on the "post" icon can have on the people on the other side of the screen. Just be smart, people.

Have fun and be smart, people. This is life, and you gotta be smart in life!