LED mods are terrible. We must fix this!

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LED mods are terrible. We must fix this!

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In this day and age, there is no need to put up with power hungry, large, and dangerous CCFL backlights. At the same time, we should not have to stick to terrible, uneven LED backlight mods. And don't get me started on the "brightness mod". You KILL the contrast! That filtering capacitor is there for a reason! :evil:

In this thread, we can try and fix this. I have gotten 5 LED backlight strips of varying sizes, the kind used in netbooks, of assorted sizes. Hopefully, they can match/exceed the brightness of a CCFL backlight, and maintain that wonderful even look.

Here is my current plan:

1. Use mylar reflective backing
2. Use white putty to seal all leaks in the lighbox
3. Replace the filter capacitor with a larger, more efficient one (NOT just bypass it)
4. Replace somewhat terrible PSone diffuser sheets with modern ones
5. Replace the diffuser panel itself with something using surface micro-etching as well as sub-surface refraction
6. Use an LED backlight strip along the full length of where the CCFL tune used to be.

And the best part is, I only have 8 days to do this in time for the contest. Hopefully, I can have a better LED mod method, sources for parts, and instructions to benefit these forums.

This is my progress thread for this project! Here is a pic of one of the LED strip, I promised SOMETHING tonight, I can have more tomorrow!

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Any suggestions/comments/ideas? Lets work together to fix this plague of terrible LED mods!
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good luck palmertech I will be watching this one. If you do get this working I think you should sell pre-hacked PSone Screens.
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With 4 LEDs I never see this "uneven" backlight? Maybe cause im using 4 17,000 MCD LEDs? Anyways Good luck to you. Make sure you don't draw more amps then the Cathode. If you do it won't be worth it!
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My screens look pretty darn good as is, thanks.
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I want to see this.
I always had the idea of replacing the cathode with a bunch of LEDs, but I don't know what I'm doing.

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Rekarp wrote:With 4 LEDs I never see this "uneven" backlight? Maybe cause im using 4 17,000 MCD LEDs? Anyways Good luck to you. Make sure you don't draw more amps then the Cathode. If you do it won't be worth it!
I use the same thing, Rekarp. The corners ARE a bit brighter than other areas, but I've never thought it looked particularly bad.

Where did you get your LED strip from, Palmer?
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Good, interesting project! It will be interesting to see the result you get.
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Hi, I signed up a while ago with the intention of making an n64 portable but never really made any progress, anyway i've got a bit of spare time now so i've started up again and the first thing i did was address this exact led lighting issue.

I wasn't going to post until i had a bit more work done but I think i can help you guys out here.

I don't want to sound preachy but it seems many people don't really know how to drive an led properly and correct me if im wrong but most of you run 3 or 4 white 3mm leds in parallel from a 7805 with a single current limiting resistor of 10 ohms or so, this puts about 40 mA through each led massively overdriving them, and will dramatically reduce their lifespan.

Because leds can differ in their forward voltage they should be driven with a constant current, when you run them in parallel you risk sending more current than you intend through the led with the highest Vf this could burn them out and cause uneven lighting.

At the very least if you run sets of 2 in series from the 7.2V line with an appropriate current limiting resistor, this would double the efficiency of your backlight straight away because instead of having 4 leds each drawing say 20mA from a 7805, you would have 4 leds of the same brightness with each PAIR drawing 20mA.

Anyway, sorry for the lecture, this is the reason i posted, here is my solution to the backlight problem:

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These are a couple of led arrays i made up on a piece of pcb from the edge of the n64 mobo, they are each a set of 10 plcc-2 sized white leds wired in series. They fit where the ccfl did in the psone screen:

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The most efficient way to drive leds is in series so i made a little step-up circuit from an MC3406 to get the 30 or so volts and control the current with a couple of LM317 regulators.
With the current set at 10mA per side the brightness is about the same as the original backlight and only a little worse for uniformity, at 20 mA the picture is really quite vibrant although the battery draw is a little higher.
At 10mA the total draw from the screen and backlight at 7.4V was about 250mA . This should be on a par or better power-wise than the traditional 4 led mod.

Here's a shot of the screen with the new backlight to show it off at it's worst

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As you can see there is a small amount of uneveness near the top on a dark background but that is a worst case scenario and the camera exaggerates it a bit. I think that it is an acceptable sacrifice for the 500mA or so power saving i'm getting over the ccfl and no where near as bad as the 4 led mod.

any thoughts?
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900mA is pretty much back to stock...

With the 4 LED mod, you can get it down to 450mA or so.

I'm loving the idea though.
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900mA is with the N64 aswell
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In that case, I love it!
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Looks like I got beat. :lol:

I am using some LED strips from Invision Industries, I will be talking more about them later. :D
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Do it anyway.
See what you can do about improved diffusion.
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True. Also, these LEDs are made to light screens; Extremely bright. Daftmike, can I see a pic of your LED modded screen next to a PSone screen with a CCFL backlight?
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Frosted plexi might help with the uneven lighting.
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