PS2 portable system

[Valium]

You've shown no evidence that you can do it, no plans as to how you'll do it, and we have proof that you can't do it.

Do you have any idea how many people come here almost daily asking about ridiculous things?



Here's a nice little question for you. If this is possible, why hasn't Sony done it already?

Sony can build it,but they can save money by building a psp which is a half ass system for half the price that it would cost to actually build a PS2 that is portable.Its fact the psp can't even run all PS1 games,which clearly shows emulation is not the solution.If it means saving money any major corporation will do it.Sony stripped the PS2 fat version to make the PS2 slim model,which in my opinion isn't great either.The PS3 has fallen into this category as well with the PS2 enigma chip stripped.If you notice the early PS3 60GB models and 20GB models are the only two systems they made that can run PS2 games without emulation.They sell 80GB systems now which use emulation and I think 40GB models.

Sorry man I'm not going to tell you how because for one you clearly show no respect to newcomers and second your mind is set on the design Sony has already created.Therefore there is no point in explaining what can and can't be done to you as you can't get past Sony's work.Do what you do best and pay for Sony products.I don't have to show you anything,which brings the question who the hell do you think you are? So in other words let me get this straight this is a portable game system site,and you think talking about making a portable system is ridiculous? Oh ok then let me get this straight then where is a site that accepts people creating portable game systems,because this clearly isn't what I expect.Please man your bought off on Sony work,of course you believe it can't be done.

I don't think portables are ridiculous, I think you're ridiculous, the facts are against you, and you don't seem to have any idea how you're going to do this. If you did, you'd have shown it already, and I'd look like an idiot. I don't look like an idiot right now, I look like the voice of reason, so using common sense, that means you don't have any idea.

[gamefreakfatty]

lburna95: If you say you're not going to use an actual PS2 (original or slim) system, then how do you plan on getting it to work?
You said that this will be your first electronic project, yet you claim to be very skilled in the field.

You call Valium a jerk because he's pointing out the fact that what you're trying to do is unreasonable and you keep denying the fact that he's right in every way that has been posted in this thread. You say that he is "unwelcoming and rude" to the newcomers of the website.
Why do you say this, because he is telling you that you're project is unrealistic and far too expensive? As far as I know he is one of the more experienced or knowledge-filled people here. I agree with him.

I don't know much about how this works, but I've opened up a PSP-100x model (fat/original) and it has no room to contain even a full size PS2 controller, let alone a system and a screen as well.
The system probably wouldn't even fit without the PCB. Even if it was just the chips, it's unlikely for them all to fit by themselves. You'd need cooling and would have a darn big wire mess. If you plan on using your own chips for the system, you'll need to dump them. That alone will bring up the cost to probably thousands of dollars.
Using a PS2 fat would be a bad idea compared to using a slim. I doubt either would work though.

To compare the systems:
PSP Fat Compared to PSTwo:
http://frozenfire.no-ip.biz/pspfat_bottomside.JPG
http://frozenfire.no-ip.biz/pspfat_frontside.JPG
http://frozenfire.no-ip.biz/pspfat_sidecenter.JPG
http://frozenfire.no-ip.biz/pspfat_topcenter.JPG
http://frozenfire.no-ip.biz/pspfat_topside.JPG

PSP Slim Compared to PSTwo:
http://frozenfire.no-ip.biz/pspslim_bottomside.JPG
http://frozenfire.no-ip.biz/pspslim_frontside.JPG
http://frozenfire.no-ip.biz/pspslim_sidecenter.JPG
http://frozenfire.no-ip.biz/pspslim_topcenter.JPG
http://frozenfire.no-ip.biz/pspslim_topside.JPG

Please disregard the soldering mess if you notice it. It was from when I was attempting to install "something" and miserably failed. This PSTwo is dead.

P.S.
Those images are hosted from my computer, please try not to waste bandwidth.

-gamefreakfatty

[lburna95]

You've shown no evidence that you can do it, no plans as to how you'll do it, and we have proof that you can't do it.

Do you have any idea how many people come here almost daily asking about ridiculous things?



Here's a nice little question for you. If this is possible, why hasn't Sony done it already?

Sony can build it,but they can save money by building a psp which is a half ass system for half the price that it would cost to actually build a PS2 that is portable.Its fact the psp can't even run all PS1 games,which clearly shows emulation is not the solution.If it means saving money any major corporation will do it.Sony stripped the PS2 fat version to make the PS2 slim model,which in my opinion isn't great either.The PS3 has fallen into this category as well with the PS2 enigma chip stripped.If you notice the early PS3 60GB models and 20GB models are the only two systems they made that can run PS2 games without emulation.They sell 80GB systems now which use emulation and I think 40GB models.

Sorry man I'm not going to tell you how because for one you clearly show no respect to newcomers and second your mind is set on the design Sony has already created.Therefore there is no point in explaining what can and can't be done to you as you can't get past Sony's work.Do what you do best and pay for Sony products.I don't have to show you anything,which brings the question who the hell do you think you are? So in other words let me get this straight this is a portable game system site,and you think talking about making a portable system is ridiculous? Oh ok then let me get this straight then where is a site that accepts people creating portable game systems,because this clearly isn't what I expect.Please man your bought off on Sony work,of course you believe it can't be done.

I don't think portables are ridiculous, I think you're ridiculous, the facts are against you, and you don't seem to have any idea how you're going to do this. If you did, you'd have shown it already, and I'd look like an idiot. I don't look like an idiot right now, I look like the voice of reason, so using common sense, that means you don't have any idea.

If voice of reason is in the lines of saying it can't be done,and your not willing to find out for youself then yeah your right Valium.I think sometimes you have to reach down to see if you got a pair,which I think you lack.It may be ridiculous to you,because you bought off on Sony and can't see past their designs.If I can't get it to work then so what I still learn from it.I can say I atleast applied myself to what you all call the impossible.If you never apply yourself how do you get better Valium? There is a reason why I'm doing this,and its not to prove a point to you or impress anyone on here if that is what you think.

No offense gamefreakfatty,but none of my work will ever be released here.I don't think I called Valium a jerk,but I think being a pussy is not the best way to learn or critisize people trying to accomplish something they can't do themselves.

Time to move on instead of bickering with each other like little school girls and getting nowhere

[Neildo_64]

Hey man, if you can do it, do it. The reason you are being semi-flamed is because you would be redesigning the entire ps2 and making it even smaller than its already small version and that sounds completely n00bish and absolutely crazy. See, around here we get people all the time who join and post something about they want to make a portable the size of an NES game that plays N64, gameboy advance, DS, 360, PS2, and PS3 games that has a battery life of 8 years and works underwater or something completely insane. That is why no one can take you seriously. If you are serious and you really do know what you are doing, awesome, definitely share with us. If you have the knowledge, skill, equipment, and tools then awesome. If not, then this project will never get any further than an idea. I am not saying anything about your ability to do anything. Honestly, I don't think it will happen, but I would very much like to see it if/when you are done. Good luck!

[Valium]

Alright, I've had enough of this, I've said all I can say. Surprisingly, all without insulting you. I've given you all the reasons I know why your idea cannot be done, and all you've done is ignore it and put me down. Do what you want, just don't come crying back after you've wasted your money on a future-less project.

[Tibia]

I think sometimes you have to reach down to see if you got a pair,which I think you lack.

Why is it that arguments among you people always break down to your anatomy? You're the one arguing like a schoolgirl.

If you think it can be done, by all means do it. I don't possibly see how it could ever be that small, and I don't care enough to waste time/consoles messing around with it. More power to you if you do so.

And if you don't feel like showing it here, fine. Whatever. That, too, is your decision. But please, if you come here for an opinion, quit the goddam whining over the opinions you've been given. We're all entitled to our own, and you invited us to express ours.



@gamefreakfatty- Thanks for the pics. You just saved me cracking open my PS2 for an unrelated idea I had.

[ShockSlayer]

You can't. You won't. No one can, except someone with a large sum of $$$.

Theorizing doesn't cut the softest crap in the world.

SS

[themadhacker]

@lburna95: Even if you were able to stuff a ps2 in a psp case, the thing would most likely melt due to extreme overheating.

[palmertech]

I had an idea almost exactly like this a while back, and even have some schematics that may be helpful. Want a look, or are you doing this to learn on your own?

They are prelimanary blueprints for a pstwo mobo, slimmed down as far as possible.

[bacteria]

none of my work will ever be released here.

So why come here in the first place then? People here respect documented work with pics, not hearsay or wishlists: facts backed up with proof. We also share our comments and experiences here too; it is a Forum after all. Provide a worklog with pics as you go along and you will gain respect here, simple.

[ShockSlayer]

none of my work will ever be released here.

So why come here in the first place then? People here respect documented work with pics, not hearsay or wishlists: facts backed up with proof. We also share our comments and experiences here too; it is a Forum after all. Provide a worklog with pics as you go along and you will gain respect here, simple.

And if it's worth anything, it doesn't matter where you post it. We will hear about it. After all, a "ps2 in a psp" would certainl be dugg and hackaday'd and other such things.

SS

[Kyo]

P.S.
Those images are hosted from my computer, please try not to waste bandwidth.

-gamefreakfatty

http://wocares.com/host




As for the OP,

This is your first project and you've set an unrealistic goal. Normally, this would not be a reason to flame you, we'd tell you it's impossible, and you'd set a more realistic goal, OR provide some evidence/concepts that prove you might be able to do it. You have done neither, you insisted it was possible without specifying how, it comes off as uninformed, impolite and ignorant.

[Basement_Modder]

Sounds like the most impossible idea I've ever seen on these forums...

[lburna95]

P.S.
Those images are hosted from my computer, please try not to waste bandwidth.

-gamefreakfatty

http://wocares.com/host




As for the OP,

This is your first project and you've set an unrealistic goal. Normally, this would not be a reason to flame you, we'd tell you it's impossible, and you'd set a more realistic goal, OR provide some evidence/concepts that prove you might be able to do it. You have done neither, you insisted it was possible without specifying how, it comes off as uninformed, impolite and ignorant.

I don't have to prove anything to you or anybody else,if you want proof then try it out for yourself.Your mind is already made up that it can't be done,and there is nothing that can change your mind unless Sony does it for you.I'm not in this to gain respect and I really don't care what you think.My first post was asking for a pcb manufacturer,and if that was too much to ask then forget it.I'm capable of getting the job done on my own,and it doesn't bother me at all.The goal I set is realistic there is nothing unrealistic about it.PS2 systems exist and the board can be redesigned smaller its a given.The design I use will be different,but in order to fit it in such a small space it has to be redesigned.There is no work around for it a pcb will have to be built from the ground up.I don't think anyone could take the boards used in PS2 systems at the moment and cram them into the size of a psp.I will admit that is probably the only thing I agree with you and everybody else on,which is why my original post asked what is a good pcb manufacturer.It hasn't been proven to me or anybody else that it can't be done,and looking at Sony's designs doesn't cut it sorry Valium.I've seen them already,and I'm not all that impressed with them.First portable project Kyo I'm not new to electronics by any means,besides why would you want to use a prebuilt design anyways? How much do you learn from taking a system and cramming it into a case.I highly doubt you learn much from cramming prebuilt systems into cases.By designing the system you not only know how it works,but you can improve it.

[jjhammerstein]

I don't have to prove anything to you or anybody else,if you want proof then try it out for yourself.Your mind is already made up that it can't be done,and there is nothing that can change your mind unless Sony does it for you.I'm not in this to gain respect and I really don't care what you think.My first post was asking for a pcb manufacturer,and if that was too much to ask then forget it.I'm capable of getting the job done on my own,and it doesn't bother me at all.The goal I set is realistic there is nothing unrealistic about it.PS2 systems exist and the board can be redesigned smaller its a given.The design I use will be different,but in order to fit it in such a small space it has to be redesigned.There is no work around for it a pcb will have to be built from the ground up.I don't think anyone could take the boards used in PS2 systems at the moment and cram them into the size of a psp.I will admit that is probably the only thing I agree with you and everybody else on,which is why my original post asked what is a good pcb manufacturer.It hasn't been proven to me or anybody else that it can't be done,and looking at Sony's designs doesn't cut it sorry Valium.I've seen them already,and I'm not all that impressed with them.First portable project Kyo I'm not new to electronics by any means,besides why would you want to use a prebuilt design anyways? How much do you learn from taking a system and cramming it into a case.I highly doubt you learn much from cramming prebuilt systems into cases.By designing the system you not only know how it works,but you can improve it.

You honestly think that you can do better than an entire team of professionals working for months, at salaries higher than most of us will ever see?


I'd love to hire you.