British perspective of the Revolutionary War

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Post by sameguy » Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:07 pm

Canada's just lucky to be situated directly north of the most powerful nation


I give it about 5 years befor the States isnt the biggest superpower anymore.. And this might just be wishfull thinking but I give it 50 years till it isnt even a super power anymore.. so dont goet all high and mighty about the states lol
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Post by TheOnlyOneHeFears » Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:14 am

I havn't ever learnt about the American Revolution. The earliest we've done is Britain in the 1900s. Shame, as it seems interesting.
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Post by warmachine » Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:49 am

TheOnlyOneHeFears wrote:I havn't ever learnt about the American Revolution. The earliest we've done is Britain in the 1900s. Shame, as it seems interesting.
Holy Carp! It was only the greatest revolution ever! :D

It beats the Bolshevic Revolution hands down, makes the Industrial Revolution look like child's play, and completely burns "The Matrix: Revolutions." Seriously, it probably was the greatest display of patriotism in history; it's a shame nobody thinks like they did anymore. :(

If you have the book 1776 in England (or wherever you are in the UK), pick it up, otherwise, get it on Amazon; it looks at both sides of the War, from George Washington, to King George III. In the mean time, check out it's [the War's] Wikipedia article.
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Post by Extreme_Jesus » Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:50 pm

Pah the Bolshevik revolutions where its at :lol:


We didnt do the american Revolution because we rarely do history prior to 1800 in most schools

mainly because kids find 19th and 20th century history more interesting

Plus everyones too busy learning about the nazis...seriously, in the last 3 schools years in hisotry i have covered some aspect of germany either during the rise, reign, fall, life under etc of the nazis

Plus the American Revolution isnt that big a part of the sylabus because obviously its much more important to your country than ours :lol:

To most its counted as american history rather than british because even after we lost the americas it wasnt a massive blow to the empire, sure it hurt it a bit but Britain still went on to rule most of the globe for the next century. Of course the relavance of this seen much later down the line at the turn of the 20th century and the dawning of the "American century"

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Post by teraflop122 » Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:46 pm

so dont goet all high and mighty about the states lol
Jingoism is alive and well! :P

Anyway, I don't see any contenders for the future world superpower- or at least none viable to take on the role within the next five years.

I'm a lot more interesting in modern nation building, or the creation of micronations. You can read about dozens of attempts to make tiny self-contained nations on concrete boats, and floating or artificial islands. I'd like to create a nation myself, someday.

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Post by vskid » Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:04 pm

teraflop122 wrote:I'm a lot more interesting in modern nation building, or the creation of micronations. You can read about dozens of attempts to make tiny self-contained nations on concrete boats, and floating or artificial islands. I'd like to create a nation myself, someday.
That would be so cool, I wonder what you'd have to do to get countryized.
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Post by sameguy » Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:21 pm

Anyway, I don't see any contenders for the future world superpower- or at least none viable to take on the role within the next five years.

Uhhhh ... you seem to be forgetting about China, and all the money that the States seems to be owing to them, you might want to try to look into that.
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Post by Indigno » Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:32 pm

China certainly is the biggest contender for power, although if men continue to outnumber women 4 to 1 there, then there is going to be a massive decrease in their population in the next ten years. At this point, I forsee:
A) Collapse of communist government.
B) A desperate plea for help.
C) Mass industrialization. Massive war machine built with its excess men.
D) Taken over by other countries.
F) Long shot, getting their s*** together.

While it's certainly not impossible, I don't see China taking over any time in the next couple of years at least. As many men as they have, I don't think they can overrun the whole world. I think they would go for the rest of asia first, inevitably going for Japan, which will draw us into the war much sooner than in the past World Wars. Although, if recent events have proven anything, much of Europe won't want to jump in (Britain may be an exception, seeing as how they've been so cool as to pal with us in Iraq ;)).
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Post by sameguy » Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:22 am

While it's certainly not impossible, I don't see China taking over any time in the next couple of years at least. As many men as they have, I don't think they can overrun the whole world. I think they would go for the rest of asia first, inevitably going for Japan, which will draw us into the war much sooner than in the past World Wars. Although, if recent events have proven anything, much of Europe won't want to jump in (Britain may be an exception, seeing as how they've been so cool as to pal with us in Iraq ).
yes I see your point but I think you are underestamating the fact that communist governments tend to take extream actions, this is due to the fact that it does not need the concent of the people for any action it may embark upon . This can allow them to make extrodanary leaps and advancments in ways of science and in milatary pursuites. Much faster than any democracy can ( not that I have anything against democracy , just saying ).
A prime example of this is Russia. They advanced an incredible amount in a veary short period of time, this of course had the negative impact of being veary pricey. It really wasnt the United States that made russia fall it was the oil shock and the devistating blows that it had upon the Russian economy ( but we all knew that didnt we ).
Anyways China can rise where Russia failed because as I stated above, basically the whole world owes China money. And I think that they will keep their communist system of government but they deffinatly will adopt more capitalistic ideals.
And not to mention that the States arnt in that great of shape either, their housing market just seemes to constantly be going down , they have to import all of their oil and they are trillions of dollers in dept, so they cannot even afford the wars they are currently commited to anyways. China will just be the last blow that devistates the states.
And as for china become the next world superpower, just give them time boys. Well anyways this is what were are taught in social 30IB up here in Canada.
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Post by Extreme_Jesus » Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:57 am

Just as the 19th was the British century and the 20th was the American century most analysts believe that the 21st will be either China or India

China for obvious reasons but India could do it as well

Mainly due to their huge space for growth in their economy, and they're certainly growing rapidly, they may not be a military super power but they may be the next japan so to speak


Also dont forget if Russia ever gets its crap together and stamps down on all the corruption it has the same potential as the US in economic, manpower and natural resources

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Post by Sir Games-A-Lot » Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:20 pm

teraflop122 wrote:
so dont goet all high and mighty about the states lol
Jingoism is alive and well! :P

Anyway, I don't see any contenders for the future world superpower- or at least none viable to take on the role within the next five years.

I'm a lot more interesting in modern nation building, or the creation of micronations. You can read about dozens of attempts to make tiny self-contained nations on concrete boats, and floating or artificial islands. I'd like to create a nation myself, someday.


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Post by Rototiller » Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:28 pm

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Anyways, i used to use it in history class.
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Post by madc0w » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:52 pm

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teraflop122 wrote:I'm a lot more interesting in modern nation building, or the creation of micronations. You can read about dozens of attempts to make tiny self-contained nations on concrete boats, and floating or artificial islands. I'd like to create a nation myself, someday.
That would be so cool, I wonder what you'd have to do to get countryized.
In the seventies they stopped letting artificial structures become countries.
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Re: British perspective of the Revolutionary War

Post by joevennix » Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:13 pm

benol wrote:The U.S. erased how we "aquired" land from Hawii and Mexico, so do British textbooks erase that?
What? That's not true at all... I'm in American History this semester and we've already gone over how we took over a lot of Mexico's rightful territories (Nevada, California, Texas)...
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