Are 3rd party Developers trying to Sabotage the Wiis Success

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Are 3rd party Developers trying to Sabotage the Wiis Success

Post by Jongamer » Fri May 11, 2007 7:13 am

Are 3rd party Developers trying to Sabotage the Wii's Success?

I say no they are not.


Listen to this podcast, it talks about how 3rd party developers are pretty much not even trying to make good games for the wii, and quote "The graphics in Spiderman 3 for the wii are absolutly appauling, people even said Superman 64 played better, Superman 64 LOOKED better."


EDIT:nope I dont think anymore, just let this thread die folks.
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Post by johnbjuice » Fri May 11, 2007 9:56 am

Obviously they are. Why not? The other consoles are more expensive/powerful and less innovative, meaning more profits for less work.

It makes me sick. :x

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Post by bicostp » Fri May 11, 2007 11:39 am

No they aren't. Nintendo did that themselves.

It takes a considerable amount of effort to optimize games written for the PS3 and/or 360 to fit in the Wii's hardware limitations. It's like writing a brand new game for a brand new PC then having to make it run on a Pentium 1 running DOS.

Nintendo should have put more effort into improving the hardware. They should have used a little bit more powerful processor and a better GPU with high definition support. 1 That would decrease the amount of re-tooling necessary, which decreases production cost and time, which in turn looks good for the bean counters and executives. (It's all about money.) The only reason the Wii is seventh (eighth?) generation is time. Hardware-wise it's more comparable to the Xbox, PS2, and Gamecube. That's why you're basically getting first party franchises, minigames, and shovelware PS2 ports; the Wii can't handle games written for its competition.

Sorry if you don't like that statement, but that's my opinion.

I don't particularly care for the Wii, but if you guys like it that's fine. :) To each their own.

1. I know, I know... "games don't have to be HD to be good!" Of course not, but why limit yourself to standard definition? This game generation will see a large conversion to HD. Besides, having HD capabilities doesn't mean you have to use HD all the time. It's like buying a sports car instead of a 4 cylinder economy car; both do the job but one has the capabilities to do more when you want to.

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Post by Triton » Fri May 11, 2007 12:09 pm

No they aren't. Nintendo did that themselves.

It takes a considerable amount of effort to optimize games written for the PS3 and/or 360 to fit in the Wii's hardware limitations. It's like writing a brand new game for a brand new PC then having to make it run on a Pentium 1 running DOS.

Nintendo should have put more effort into improving the hardware. They should have used a little bit more powerful processor and a better GPU with high definition support. 1 That would decrease the amount of re-tooling necessary, which decreases production cost and time, which in turn looks good for the bean counters and executives. (It's all about money.) The only reason the Wii is seventh (eighth?) generation is time. Hardware-wise it's more comparable to the Xbox, PS2, and Gamecube. That's why you're basically getting first party franchises, minigames, and shovelware PS2 ports; the Wii can't handle games written for its competition.

Sorry if you don't like that statement, but that's my opinion.

I don't particularly care for the Wii, but if you guys like it that's fine. Smile To each their own.
psssst bic, your bais is showing :lol: but on a more serious note you are sorta missing the point, yes the wii is graphically inferior to the ps3 and xbox 360, its only slightly more powerful than the original xbox and rougly twice as powerful as the gamecube which is a significant improvement from the previous generation. yes having HD would be nice but look at some of the games that came out on the gamecube, RE4, metroid prime, rogue squadron etc, all looked AMAZING. and the wii is more powerful still!

i dont think 3rd party devs are trying to sabotage the wii, they just arent trying its almost like bic said. the wii is a HUGE sucess and they are trying to cash in as fast as possible by shoving out halfassed ports and shovelware crap and putting no real effort into the games they are making because they will sell regardless.

bic, this may come as a supprise but not all 3rd party games are ports from ps3/xbox360 of course multi console titles, when there is such a huge difference in each system, are going to SUCK dont blame it on the wiis lack of horsepower blame it on lazy devs, there are some games that look good on 360 and look like crap on ps3 because the devs didnt work very hard on the port they just shoved it out the door, it goes both ways.
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Post by bicostp » Fri May 11, 2007 12:26 pm

Triton wrote:psssst bic, your bais is showing :lol:
:oops: *zip*

:lol: Yeah, I am a little anti-Nintendo. (But the internet in general is really Nintendo biased... somebody has to have a different opinion.) I agree with Ben and Jones; I have no problems with Nintendo succeeding, but I don't want to see a console with little technical advancement over its predecessor's competition "win". I admit the "Pentium running DOS" analogy is really exaggerated; a more realistic wording would be running brand new games on a Pentium 3 with a TNT2 card.

Look all I'm saying is that Nintendo's taking a pretty big gamble by putting all their eggs in the Wiimote basket.

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Post by hy phrend » Fri May 11, 2007 12:46 pm

bicostp wrote:No they aren't. Nintendo did that themselves.
This is partly true. Nintendo is sort of screwing themselves over with the lack of online play. Nintendo is not allowing 3rd party developers at the time being to create games capable for online play. They are reserving that for themselves. Which sucks cause first I have a Wii and want to play something online, and secondly because this, and the last generation have been all about power, and online capabilities. I myself actually like more games that are third party then some of the ones that Nintendo has been coming out with. But again I think that they are sort of screwing themselves over with not allowing company's to make games utilizing online play.
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Post by Rekarp » Fri May 11, 2007 1:39 pm

AHH its the beginning of the Video Game Crash of 2007! RUN RUN and hide the children! May God and Pac Man Be with you!!

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Ok back to reality...maybe not.... >_>

But again I think that they are sort of screwing themselves over with not allowing company's to make games utilizing online play.
Theres a game called Bigs (baseball game similar to Blitz Football) that is supposed to have online gameplay that comes out soon. Nintendo released the Data and dev kits a few months ago for online games to companies so your statement is out dated.
I agree with Ben and Jones; I have no problems with Nintendo succeeding, but I don't want to see a console with little technical advancement over its predecessor's competition "win".
I don't really see a problem with this. All it means is that Devs have to actually optimize there code and stop slacking off. With a low power system Devs will have to learn tricks to make better looking games. Can I say Space Invaders or God of War 2 are great examples of this. I think the gaming economy has gotten to lazy and large and is in need of some fat trimming.

What Nintendo didn't do correctly was implement a Lazy Man's controller. Sure theres the "Classic Controller" but its nothing compaired to the Gamecube or Xbox 360 controllers (the PS3 controller was left out because its a POS ever since they designed it in the 90's). Sure the Wiimote is awesome and all but there is times when I just want to sit back and drink while playing.
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Post by johnbjuice » Fri May 11, 2007 4:01 pm

Since this thread has turned into the only real civil discussion of next-gen consoles I've seen, I just need to say this.

The XBox 360 or Wii is going to win. Either. I'm not sure which, but one of them, just not the PS3. Why? It's gonna sound wrong, dirty, stupid, and irrelevant, but it's true.

Below may be offensive! You've been warned!


Porn. HD-DVD will win over Blu-Ray because it has what Blu-Ray doesn't. Nasty, but look at DVDs! Why did they become the standard? Why didn't laserdiscs succeed VHS, then DVDs. No, not because they're big...

But from there, the battle is still on. Personally I think they're too different to compete, but hey.

PM me with your scathing remarks!

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Post by lifeisbetterwithketchup » Fri May 11, 2007 4:23 pm

The fault is on both Nintendo and the third-parties. Nintendo did not give Wii online play at launch (and still hasn't), and the third-parties are getting lazy with the graphics on the system. (Look at Far Cry for Wii. Ugh.) Also, third-parties didn't realize how much of a success (still sold out) Wii would be from the get-go, and because of that, Wii is suffering a drought of 3rd-party games (good ones). So it's paritally the fault of Nintendo, and partially the 3rd-parties underestimating the Wii's popularity.
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Post by Triton » Fri May 11, 2007 4:29 pm

there is no such thing as a "winner" in the "console wars" so to speak, yes one company might outsell the others but the fanbois will argue ad nauseam about how their company of choice was the actual winner well into the next cycle and then it will start all over! if you go by profit margins the cube won last cycle (turned a profit from day one as opposed to several years later for the ps2 and the end of the cycle for the xbox) if you go by numbers sold the ps2 won if you go by straight horsepower the xbox won et cetera et cetera
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Post by lifeisbetterwithketchup » Fri May 11, 2007 7:05 pm

Triton wrote:there is no such thing as a "winner" in the "console wars" so to speak, yes one company might outsell the others but the fanbois will argue ad nauseam about how their company of choice was the actual winner well into the next cycle and then it will start all over! if you go by profit margins the cube won last cycle (turned a profit from day one as opposed to several years later for the ps2 and the end of the cycle for the xbox) if you go by numbers sold the ps2 won if you go by straight horsepower the xbox won et cetera et cetera
I'd say that the PS2 "won" the last "console war", as it had the highest install base of the three (said the Dreamcast: "Four!"). The Xbox having the most power means little in the long run (considering all the systems were very close power-wise). And the cube turning the most profit really only matters to Nintendo and its shareholders.

BTW: nice use of "ad nauseam", I've always liked that phrase. :)
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Post by timmeh87 » Fri May 11, 2007 11:13 pm

it was once suggested to me that the reason ps2 sold so much was that half of people who got one had to get another one when the first one broke 3 years down the road.

now thats obviously a big exaggeration but perhaps an interesting point. they were pieces of crap as far as reliability.

it also came out a year before anything else. and now for the same reason the 360 is currently 'winning' this generation.
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Post by benol » Sat May 12, 2007 8:59 am

The lack of apostrophe in Wii's, Plus the lack of capitalization, really bothers me. Please fix it posthaste!
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Post by Unidentified Assilant » Sat May 12, 2007 12:44 pm

Wii is far too underpowered to have any decent ports of Xbox360/PS3 games. Bad for Nintendo, and Wii is just a gimmicky piece of crap anyway.
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Post by toby dawg » Sun May 13, 2007 10:08 pm

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