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Direct Cartridge Slot Relocation Pinout
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 1:21 pm
by jjhammerstein
ShockSlayer wrote:Hey, no one use this pinout yet. I tried it, it didn't work. I went back and compared two seperate model boards and they had different pinouts. It might just be because I think daftmike's n64 was PAL or something, but I'm not sure I trust this. I've been talking with a respected member about this, and he's traced some different pinouts as well. Take this with a grain of salt, I'll see about posting the differences.
SS
Pinout: daftmike
GROUND:
1 - 26 : GROUND
GROUND:
2 - 27 : GROUND
RCP 58:
3 - 28 : RCP 57
RCP 54:
4 - 29 : RCP 53
RCP 52:
5 - 30 : RCP 51
GROUND:
6 - 31 : GROUND
RCP 50:
7 - 32 : RCP 47
RCP 46:
8 - 33 : RCP 45
+3.3V:
9 - 34 : +3.3V
RCP 44:
10 - 35 : RCP 41
RCP 40:
11 - 36 : RCP 39
RCP 38:
12 - 37 : RCP 35
+12V:
13 - 38 : +12V
N/C:
14 - 39 : N/C
RCP 34:
15 - 40 : RCP 33
RCP 32:
16 - 41 : RCP 31
+3.3V:
17 - 42 : +3.3V
PIF 5:
18 - 43 : PIF 3
PIF 1:
19 - 44 : CPU 57
RCP 26:
20 - 45 : CPU 93
PIF 23:
21 - 46 : N/C
GROUND:
22 - 47 : GROUND
GROUND:
23 - 48 : GROUND
LAUDIO:
24 - 49 : RAUDIO
GROUND:
25 - 50 : GROUND
Diagram: JJHammerstein
Re: Direct Cartridge Slot Relocation Pinout
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 2:29 pm
by ShockSlayer
Question: When that says L and R audio, does that mean we can connect to those contacts for the output for the screen?
SS
Re: Direct Cartridge Slot Relocation Pinout
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 2:46 pm
by thewise1
It's possible, but it most likely needs to go through the audio processor first, so connecting the cartridge slot to the chip first then go to the screen from the board normally.
Re: Direct Cartridge Slot Relocation Pinout
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 3:00 pm
by jjhammerstein
In that case, it would be labeled to its pin number on whatever chip it would go to.
I don't know, I just draw things. Daftmike can answer when he comes on.
Re: Direct Cartridge Slot Relocation Pinout
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 6:02 pm
by daftmike
The audio signals coming from the cart slot will likely need to be fed into a pre-amp of some kind before output, there is one on the board, chip U2 'AMP-NUS'
I may have to trim this part of the board in my portable however, so i made my own amp and took the signals straight from the cart slot.
The output circuitry is something that changed a lot between the different n64 revisions, on my "1996 CPU-03" the audio signals are filtered through R21, C30 and R17, C29 before going to the 'AMP-NUS' so there is no definitive pin number, i did trace them and took a quick pic for anyone who needs it.
(excuse the mobile phone picture, it's just to give a rough idea where the points are.)
Re: Direct Cartridge Slot Relocation Pinout
Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 6:10 pm
by ShockSlayer
Hey, no one use this pinout yet. I tried it, it didn't work. I went back and compared two seperate model boards and they had different pinouts. It might just be because I think daftmike's n64 was PAL or something, but I'm not sure I trust this. I've been talking with a respected member about this, and he's traced some different pinouts as well. Take this with a grain of salt, I'll see about posting the differences.
SS
Re: Direct Cartridge Slot Relocation Pinout
Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 6:14 pm
by jjhammerstein
Let me know, I'll do a redraw if this one doesn't work.
Re: Direct Cartridge Slot Relocation Pinout
Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 6:15 pm
by ShockSlayer
Good!
SS
Re: Direct Cartridge Slot Relocation Pinout
Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:42 am
by daftmike
Interesting, are you sure your soldering is accurate? have you got it working using a different pinout?
I only say this because i am confident my pinout is 100% correct and that it will work for all n64s.
Re: Direct Cartridge Slot Relocation Pinout
Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 10:06 am
by ShockSlayer
Well, I knw for a fact the my soldering was accurate, but if you have different year revision boards then compare them. Like I said, I'll post our findings later, I'm actually working on tracing everything right now. Most of it is right though.
SS
Re: Direct Cartridge Slot Relocation Pinout
Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 6:48 pm
by jjhammerstein
Eurddrue wrote:Original pinout by: daftmike
Changes made by: eurddrue
GROUND: 1 - 26 : GROUND
GROUND: 2 - 27 : GROUND
RCP 58: 3 - 28 : RCP 57
RCP 54: 4 - 29 : RCP 53
RCP 52: 5 - 30 : RCP 51
GROUND: 6 - 31 : GROUND
RCP 50: 7 - 32 : RCP 47
RCP 46: 8 - 33 : RCP 45
+3.3V: 9 - 34 : +3.3V
RCP 44: 10 - 35 : RCP 41
RCP 40: 11 - 36 : RCP 39
RCP 38: 12 - 37 : RCP 35
+12V: 13 - 38 : +12V
N/C: 14 - 39 : N/C
RCP 34: 15 - 40 : RCP 33
RCP 32: 16 - 41 : RCP 31
+3.3V: 17 - 42 : +3.3V
PIF 5: 18 - 43 : PIF 3
PIF 1: 19 - 44 : CPU 57-NO! Pin 57 Goes to RCP pin 124.
ON A REVISION 4 Board pin 44 goes to PIF 4.
ON A REVISION 8 Board pin 44 goes to PIF 12
RCP 26: 20 - 45 : CPU 93-NO! Pin 93 on the CPU goes to RCP pin 122
ON A REVISION 4 Board Pin 45 goes to PIF 7
On A REVISION 8 Board Pin 45 goes to PIF 6
PIF 23: 21 - 46 : ON A REVISION 4 Board pin 46 goes to VDC pin 14 and ENC pin 5
ON A REVISION 8 Board pin 46 goes to MAV pin 32
GROUND: 22 - 47 : GROUND
GROUND: 23 - 48 : GROUND
LAUDIO: 24 - 49 : RAUDIO
GROUND: 25 - 50 : GROUND
A Revision 4 N64 has 14 chips, and a Revision 8 board has only 9. (counting the voltage regulators)
Video comes off of Capacitor 15 on a revision 4 board, and C16 on a revision 8 mobo.
Left audio comes off of Capacitor 25 on a revision 4 board, and same on a revision 8 mobo.
Right audio comes off of Capacitor 26 on a revision 4 board, and same on a revision 8 mobo.
The 3.3v line can go directly into pin 6 and the 12v line can go into 7. I haven’t tested this yet, but it looks like SifuF did it.
Note: I am temporarily banned
I got JJhammerstein to post this for me, and I'm not trying to undercut the mods or anything. I'm pretty sure you guys are watching my IP address, I won't try any funny buisiness. Daftmike, I'm not trying to undercut you either, I am the respected member SS has been talking to. I just think it must be because your n64 is PAL or something. For the most parts our diagrams are the same. I made a diagram a while back, I could post the whole thing, but it's almost exactly the same as what's on here.
Re: Direct Cartridge Slot Relocation Pinout
Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 7:32 pm
by ShockSlayer
Good job, eurddrue.
SS
Re: Direct Cartridge Slot Relocation Pinout
Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 8:06 pm
by daftmike
Since we only disagree on three pins it must just be down to the differences between hardware revisions.
As it turns out i don't have a board younger than a NUS-CPU-03 so I can't comment on your changes other than to say that my original pinout is correct at least for the NTSC CPU-03 and PAL CPU(P)-01 boards.
It looks like a different pinout is needed depending on the board revisions, what do you think?
Re: Direct Cartridge Slot Relocation Pinout
Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 8:54 pm
by XCVG
daftmike wrote:Since we only disagree on three pins it must just be down to the differences between hardware revisions.
As it turns out i don't have a board younger than a NUS-CPU-03 so I can't comment on your changes other than to say that my original pinout is correct at least for the NTSC CPU-03 and PAL CPU(P)-01 boards.
It looks like a different pinout is needed depending on the board revisions, what do you think?
Agreed. Maybe I'll check my dead -04. Oh wait, someone already did an -04.
Re: Direct Cartridge Slot Relocation Pinout
Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:56 pm
by ShockSlayer
eurddrue wrote:Video comes off of Capacitor 15 on a revision 4 board, and C16 on a revision 8 mobo.
We couldn't get this to work, I'll look into the solution again.
SS